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Re: Bob's Fort Wayne area photo of the week

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 9:40 am
by Bob Durnell
4/17. The Norfolk Southern Wabash Heritage Unit leads a westbound autorack train at Lumbard Street on "Home" territory.

Re: Bob's Fort Wayne area photo of the week

Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 1:27 pm
by rrnut282
That unit was leading a grain train Monday NB on the NCD toward Muncie.

Re: Bob's Fort Wayne area photo of the week

Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 11:24 pm
by Bob Durnell
4/3/2012. Norfolk Southern's first Heritage Unit makes its first appearance in Fort Wayne.

Re: Bob's Fort Wayne area photo of the week

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 5:24 pm
by Hotbox
Nice picture....that unit number is symbolic of the date NS took it's slice of the pie, correct?

Re: Bob's Fort Wayne area photo of the week

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 8:44 pm
by Bob Durnell
No, they just grabbed eight units out of GE order 1991 (NS 8098-8105) and made them Heritage Units. And then for reasons I no longer remember, they grabbed #8025 and #8114 to make the last two GE Heritage units. The ten EMD Heritage Units are NS 1065-1074, all out of order # 20116573.

Re: Bob's Fort Wayne area photo of the week

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 9:22 pm
by Wayne Gest
Hotbox wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 5:24 pm
Nice picture....that unit number is symbolic of the date NS took it's slice of the pie, correct?
That would have been June 1, 1999. So, 6199 would be appropriate.

Re: Bob's Fort Wayne area photo of the week

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 9:33 pm
by Hotbox
Following are a couple excerpts from wikipedia, with emphasis added by me:

After railroad regulations were lifted by the 4R Act and the Staggers Act, Conrail began to turn a profit in the 1980s and was privatized in 1987. The two remaining Class I railroads in the East, CSX Transportation and the Norfolk Southern Railway (NS), agreed in 1997 to acquire the system and split it into two roughly-equal parts (alongside three residual shared-assets areas), returning rail freight competition to the Northeast by essentially undoing the 1968 merger of the Pennsylvania Railroad and New York Central Railroad that created Penn Central. Following approval by the Surface Transportation Board, CSX and NS took control in August 1998, and on June 1, 1999 began operating their respective portions of Conrail.

And

The buyout was approved by the Surface Transportation Board (successor agency to the Interstate Commerce Commission) and took place on August 22, 1998. Under the control of lawyer-turned CEO Tim O'Toole, the lines were transferred to two newly formed limited liability companies, to be subsidiaries of Conrail but leased to CSX and Norfolk Southern, respectively New York Central Lines (NYC) and Pennsylvania Lines (PRR). The NYC and PRR reporting marks, which had passed to Conrail, were also transferred to the new companies, and NS also acquired the CR reporting mark. Operations under CSX and NS began June 1, 1999

Re: Bob's Fort Wayne area photo of the week

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 6:33 am
by Bob Durnell
Well, I'll just say that if there IS any connection between the date and the Conrail Heritage Unit, it is news to me. It was my understanding that these units were chosen because they had yet to be painted, as I believe these were shipped from Erie in primer and Altoona painted some or all of the GEs, while the EMDs were painted at Muncie. I think when the last six EMDs were shipped to Spencer NC for the big Heritage Unit bash, the paint was barely dry. I drove down there after work on that day and was just barely able to catch them.

Re: Bob's Fort Wayne area photo of the week

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 5:34 pm
by Hotbox
It could be just a coincidence. But in fairness to everybody, I saw a picture of this unit in Trains magazine a few months back, and the caption under the photo pointed out the correlation.

Re: Bob's Fort Wayne area photo of the week

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 5:40 pm
by Hotbox
I'm an avid fan of most conspiracy theories. It wouldn't surprise me if some employee of NS noticed the coincidence and earmarked this unit out of the batch for the Conrail scheme.

Re: Bob's Fort Wayne area photo of the week

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:55 pm
by Bob Durnell
That's entirely possible, but this is the first time I have ever heard anyone trying to make the connection. I can't imagine that very many people are actually familiar with that date. I wasn't, and I followed the Conrail split like a greyhound on a rabbit. 6/1/99 will always be the date I remember, just like 4/1/76 for the START of Conrail, and 2/1/68 as the start of Penn Central.

Re: Bob's Fort Wayne area photo of the week

Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2019 3:55 pm
by Hotbox
Bob Durnell wrote:
Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:55 pm
I followed the Conrail split like a greyhound on a rabbit.

I spent most of the 1980s and all the 1990s living in other parts of the country. Did Conrail ever have much of an operation in Ft Wayne in terms of through freight and yard activity?

Re: Bob's Fort Wayne area photo of the week

Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:20 pm
by Wayne Gest
Yes, up until sometime about 1982, they ran mainline freight through Fort Wayne and also ran up the GR&I to Kendallville (I think CR still did this for a period of time) and then on the Lake Shore to Elkhart. There were also yard engines in Fort Wayne. Then the axe fell and all the traffic was moved to the NYC.

Re: Bob's Fort Wayne area photo of the week

Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2019 7:32 pm
by Bob Durnell
Yeah, post 1982, Conrail in Fort Wayne proper didn't look a whole lot different than the CF&E does now. I think the CF&E keeps more power here though, but that may be because of the locomotive shop.

Re: Bob's Fort Wayne area photo of the week

Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2019 5:54 pm
by Hotbox
Okay, thanks guys. Since I moved away from Ft Wayne in April '83....it doesn't sound like I missed very much, Conrail related anyway.